Ben crashes the Matt and Bob show to talk WINNEBAGO MAN, viral videos before viral was a thing, and tracking down an angry RV salesman living as a hermit in Northern California. The conversation rips through documentary evolution—from Ken Burns photo zooms to Tiger King (quick: who directed it? exactly)—and lands on why docs are the offensive linemen of film: you don’t know their names, but you need them. Ben breaks down Doc Walks, his new weekly walk-and-talk series with Austin filmmaker Keith Maitland, where tiny cameras, AI editing, and real conversation collide. They dig into HIGH HOPES (his Hulu dispensary doc with Jimmy Kimmel), the terrifying gamble of documentary filmmaking (what if nothing happens?), and why authenticity matters when everything else is fake. Plus: why Ben’s wife is rooting for Chuy’s love life.

Discussion links: WINNEBAGO MAN (2009) | HIGH HOPES (2023) | TOWER (2016) | SHERMAN’S MARCH (1985) | DEAR ZACHARY (2008) | ICARUS (2017)

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro

01:00 HIGH HOPES

02:00 WINNEBAGO MAN Origin Story

06:00 Docs as Offensive Linemen

07:00 Doc Walks Launch

10:00 Authenticity vs AI

11:00 Documentary Risks

13:00 When Stories Swerve

14:00 Where to Find Doc Walks

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