Come along as Ben flies solo—no Keith, just the UT campus and two documentary titans who've been making films together longer than most marriages last: the indomitable Louis Alvarez and Andrew Kolker have a working partnership runnin’ north of fifty years. They made AMERICAN TONGUES (1988) back when folks across the US said they just spoke like everyone else. They made PEOPLE LIKE US (1999) while Americans were spurring their nose at class conversations. And they're still at it—currently chasing down an obscure architect and sharing a film about a storied Texas State Senator. We get into the unglamorous truth of comedic docs (funders hate them), the secret to not killing your creative partner (separate wives, separate boroughs), and why the best stories are in places nobody's looking. They started as VISTA volunteers in New Orleans with no one to tell them where to point the camera. Now they're late-career and busy doing whatever the hell they want. Plus: we decipher a bunch of boats strung together, we bask in neo-classical architecture, all while Louis just wants a dirty chai.

Discussion Links

AMERICAN TONGUES (1988) | YEAH YOU RITE! (1985) | PEOPLE LIKE US (1999) | CONFLUENCE (2024) | WINNEBAGO MAN (2010)

Timestamps

00:00 Keith sits this one out

00:49 Meeting Louis and Andy on the UT campus

02:42 The Rodney Ellis short and pulling political levers

04:13 Fifty years of partnership—step one: separate wives

07:41 Cass Gilbert: The everywhere architect you've never heard of

11:17 VISTA volunteers in 1970s New Orleans

15:28 Filming the intangible—accents, class, motherhood

17:48 Why funders hate funny

19:56 The three Cs killing documentary: celebrity, crime, cults

22:08 Steel canoes and the sculpture guessing game

25:32 Making CONFLUENCE during COVID

29:13 AI horror movies and the death of 90-minute docs

34:24 Advice: Go where nobody else is

37:00 Co-directing—the case for and against

43:00 Turtle pond, dirty chai, wrap it up